troublemarker they are making you keep your plates when you sell your car here in arizona. i never understood why they made you give your plates away when you sold your car before. i have seen alot more cars driving around without any plates latelyand lets just say the drivers are seem kindof people.
Well around here only the Mexicans have cash for old cars, the Gringos have no money so they finance newish stuff. The Mexicans will not buy a car that has out of state or expired tags as a rule and they will drive it until the tags run out before they ever transfer it. Live with it or never sell anything.
HOWEVER, if I ever have some dipwad getting tickets in an untransferred vehicle again I am going to do one of 2 things, get a duplicate title (thus rendering his untransfered one void) and go get the car back. OR go tell the DMV the car has been crushed and remove it's registration from existence and it can NEVER be registered again, even if it goes through an impound auction
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no matter what i think in selling a vehicle especialy in border states iether border, Sell it to a lot. Maybe even to the one selling brand new fords or whatever brand it is. or put it on a consignment lot then it is the dealers formost responsibility to obey the law. And in case of selling it to a lot you may only get 800.00-1,000 max as opposed to the 2000-3000+ from the guy who will never register it atleast you don't have to worry about paying tickets.
But as willow said you sell it and get tickets in mail you apply for lost or dupe title and go recollect it with the police. If he or she costs you 800 in parking and other fines then he or she has gotten what they paid you out of it. More than any judge would give them being you have the dupe or lost title in hand.so you could get it out of hawk/inpound and file lost title.
this will keep you from having trouble and as hawkrod said requierd by dmv or no. walk in and force them to transfer or tell them we have to go to dmv when you buy it and if they act wierd don't sell it to them.
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
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Interesting that this has happened to so many people, I thought it was just me! In my case, I was the dummy because it was the first car I had ever sold. I didn't realize that you had to send in the transfer of ownership paperwork off the title. So over the next couple years I got numerous ticket notifications, the police called because he was in a hit and run, and finally the car got impounded. I also got a letter from the state (CA) saying they were going to deduct from my next tax refund.
I wrote them a letter basically crying that I'm sorry but I didn't know any better and it was the first car I ever sold, blah, blah. I never heard from them again.
The sad thing was I sold the car for $7,000 so this guy basically destroyed and got impounded a $7,000 car. Now who's the dummy?
Mike: I just re-read this thread (must have missed it earlier) and didn't get the impression that hawkrod was trying to be a know-it-all, I just got the impression that he was letting us know what the 'rules' were as he understood them per a DMV employee. If it had been me in this situation, I'd have appreciated his input and would have checked it out further to see if this was/is still the case.
After all, that's what the forum is for...the exchange of ideas and information. And speaking personally, I appreciate it anytime someone lets me know when I'm possibly mistaken about something...that's the main way I learn things around here. I learn from all of you every single day and really don't want misunderstandings or misinterpretations rocking our happy home here.
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Thank you Keith, and you are correct except for a very minor point. It was not something I was told by a DMV employee, it was something I was shown in a book. I am sorry if you feel that my response to being called a liar was over the top but it is clear what was meant and that a particular member was intentionally flaming me for who knows what reason. The fact that another member was nice enough to provide a copy of a very similar law was helpful as it clearly noted what responsibilities you have here in this state and they are much more in depth than most people realize. You can certainly get yourself into a heap o' hot water very easily by assuming. Now as far as only posting corrections and being a know it all, I would certainly like to address that statement as it impinges on my reputation. I have been in the business of selling vintage Ford parts and doing restroration work for almost 25 years. Prior to that I was a Lincoln Mercury employee. I have learned a lot and try and share my knowledge when it is appropriate. For what I think are obvious reasons, I only post when I know the answer AND when the wrong information has been given OR no pertinant response has been given. I would think it obvious to any moron that posting when the correct answer has been given is just a waste of time and bandwidth so I do not bother. Posting when incorrect information has been given to provide correct information is the responsibility of every member of a group to protect the integrity of that group. If you see wrong information posted then please correct it or it could end up being very expensive or even dangerous to one of our members or even people just stopping by and reading this forum. People do not join forums with a bunch of garbage posted. And finally, for the member who thinks I am a know it all, Thank you, yes, I do know a lot and I do my best to share my knowledge with people who do not have the benefit of the same information. I am well educated and well versed in Ford. I use my faculties to the fullest and try and help others when I can. Those who know me will tell you that I am a nice guy and I have a very large circle of friends both in and out of this hobby. I have been doing this for a long time and have done work for a lot of people and they respect me as I respect them. When I make a mistake I apologize. I do not understand why you want a fight. Hawkrod
That reminded me of FTE as soon as I read it. Lets not be like them
Stephen
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71 f-100 swb sport custom
03 mach1 mustang
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Damn, 7 gallons per mile, obviously FE powered!
Hawkrod wrote:Thank you, yes, I do know a lot and I do my best to share my knowledge with people who do not have the benefit of the same information. I am well educated and well versed in Ford. I use my faculties to the fullest and try and help others when I can. Those who know me will tell you that I am a nice guy and I have a very large circle of friends both in and out of this hobby. I have been doing this for a long time and have done work for a lot of people and they respect me as I respect them. When I make a mistake I apologize. I do not understand why you want a fight. Hawkrod
I appreciate all the good advice I've read of yours at more than one forum.
I was on another forum one time, when someone told me my old '40 ford, which came with a clock in the glovebox-
(in fact that's how the original owner's daughter who bought it off me recognized it)
-could not have possibly had a clock in the glovebox and I was full of crap and they knew everything about Fords and bla bla bla.
Then I found an option list for '38 Ford pickups that shows... Surprise! a clock in the glovebox door! Just like mine had, in a two years newer truck, ordered and owned by a Ford dealer. But that's amazing, I thought, this person had been to the Ford archives, and apparently read and remembered everything they had read there, and they told me there was no possible way a '40 ford truck had a clock in the glovebox door. They knew everything.
So I let it slide.
Just like you guys should here.
JC
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'27 Model T Roadster Pickup- Dad's first car
'64 LWB M100 Mercury
'83 F150 Supercab Longbox -"Stretch"
Yeah, I remember that claim and I still do not believe it. Ford said it never happened and you cannot provide any sort of proof it did so how do you expect people to accept that something Ford says they never did happened 50+ years ago based on a second hand story of somebody who was not party to the original purchase? The Factory literature for 1940 specifically notes that a clock was not available as a factory option on a 40 pickup. A clock was not even available on a Standard, it only came on a DeLuxe. why would they offer it on a commercial vehicle which was considered below a standard in the product line? I can only accept that it was a dealer installed item which was the norm for the time frame. I would also expect it to be a 38 or 39 style clock since they are round and designed to fit a flat glove box while a 40 Ford clock is rectangular and is designed to fit a curved glovebox. I can provide factory photo's of heavily optioned 40 pickups and many show crank out windshields and heaters but out of the hundreeds of photo's not one shows a clock. I am curious how you could still believe that soemthing Ford records and sales literature said never happened could be a fact? Maybe you think about it while driving your 68 F100 with a factory 460? Being right does not make somebody a know it all. Having spent a great deal of time studying the facts makes the person knowledgable. You will notice that the Early V8 judging standards for a 1940 pickup do not include a clock as an option. Did you ever stop to wonder why? Why don't you go back and re-read some of the articles we wrote for the early V8 times specifically about accessories for the 39's and 40's. You may get some insight. Hawkrod
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I sold a car to a "friend" of mine who decided to abandon it on the side of the road. I got a nice letter in the mail from highway patrol and by law was my responsibility. Ended up costing me $150 and the title. If not, there was the threat of liens on my license. Learned a lesson that day.
If you are right, then I must be wrong. Yes I can admit when I am wrong. So I will. My '40 Ford never had a clock in the glovebox. The daughter of the Ford dealer who ordered it and owned it never recognized it as a rare option and never hounded me for YEARS to sell her her father's truck. I dreamed it all. It must have happened while I was in Neverland with Peter Pan, riding around in his 460 '68. I am dreaming right now looking at this '38 Ford truck option of a round clock in the glovebox. Ford never used anything out of older cars in their pickup lineup, so I dreamed those '61 Falcon armrests in my '64 too.
I was wrong.
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'27 Model T Roadster Pickup- Dad's first car
'64 LWB M100 Mercury
'83 F150 Supercab Longbox -"Stretch"
I really don't understand your stance or your attitude. I did not say it did not exist and that you did not have it or that the daughter of a dealer owner recognized it after all those years. I was very clear that it was almost absolutely certainly installed at the dealership. You have never provided anything that would suggest otherwise. Why would you think that Ford would have a "very rare option" and only make it available to one person? Why do you believe that a corporation as large as Ford would change the production process for one owner? It never worked that way. Ford did not allow you to order anything you wanted. It just did not work that way. To get a car that varied from the normal assembly line process was very difficult and required a huge amount of effort. Before you could even place the order it would have to go through the district office which would automatically deny it in an effort to avoid the difficulties associated with the request. If it was a non standard item the automatic response was to have the dealer instal it upon deleivery. After the order was denied you would have had to appeal to the district manager for a variance and I would be astonished if he gave a different answer. Even if it was approved at a district level then it had to go to corporate for approval and then special handling would be required which is why they didn't do it very often. The Ford assembly line was very basic and cars and trucks were built by people who were trained specifically to do a task and not much else. Very few of these people were even skilled. These people each had a specific task and that is what they did. Variations were expensive and time consuming so almost all options for Fords were sold at a dealer level. Even the majority of radios and heaters were installed at the dealership not at the factory. Why do you believe it impossible that the dealer could not have simply pulled a glove box door and clock from inventory and installed it? The daughter of the owner of the dealership would never be able to tell you if that happened because it would have occured before delivery. How come the parts books do not list a clock? How come the literature says a clock was not available? How can you honestly believe that you found the only one made and that it was factory when you have no evidence to support such a suggestion and yet there is plenty of evidence to say it did not happen? I really don't understand. Hawkrod
troublemarker 
they are making you keep your plates when you sell your car here in arizona. i never understood why they made you give your plates away when you sold your car before. i have seen alot more cars driving around without any plates latelyand lets just say the drivers are seem kindof people.
